Anders Andersen

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  Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.

  by Esse quam videri in

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  knocked on a door on a saturday morning.

  a window opened on the floor above me.

  a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!

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  I remember talking to Jesus. Both of them.

  The first was an RV from an elder brother. The two of us sometimes visited a guy who suffered schizophrenia and at times he thought he was Jesus. At least he knew he was 'crazy'.

  In my early twenties a guy opened his door and said dead serious: Hi. I'm Jesus. No, he was not from a Spanish speaking background. The guy looked a bit odd, and there was no way to tell whether he was having an identity crisis of sorts, or that he was messing with me. Either way I couldn't think of anything left to say right then and there. Just said bye and left.
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  When you were an active WT door knocker... How did you knock?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  on the door frame, on the door, door knocker, bell.. loud, very loud, regular, soft... gentle... or just pretended and never knocked at all?

  we just had a city worker come a knocking on our front door and my responce after she left was, she should go down to the local kingdom haul and give lessons.

  her knock was so loud, she could raise the dead.

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  In my country JW simply ring the door bell, and so did I.

  At one time (when I was quite young) we were out in a rural area. One doorbell didn't just ring, it played beautiful music! Nobody answered, so we rang again to make sure they heard. Another song played! Since there wasn't anybody home anyway, we decided to find out how many different songs that bell would play.

  After seven different songs a very much NOT amused home owner finally answered the door asking WHAT THE F#*K ARE YOU DOING!!!?!!!

  Oops :-D

  But why do USA JW knock even when there is a doorbell? Why not use that thing?
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  My Introduction - An ex-elder's story of waking up later in life.

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  2. experiences

  background:.

  my parents got the “truth” while i was in primary school.

  i was baptised at 14. i loved school and was extremely studious.

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  Welcome!

  Congratulations on waking up...
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  one thing about all these pedophiles cases i cant understand is..

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as a parent, if it was my kid i would go straight to the police and or beat the living shit out of the perpetrator.

  were all these parents of the victims brain dead or that indoctrinated?.

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  @LongHairGal,

  Don't take my comment at face value ;-)
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  I would like to rant about how I get really upset when I get some weak invitation back to the cult.

  by schnell in

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  2. friends

  my mother wanted me to know that the co gave a talk that kinda-sorta reprimanded an elder in her hall.

  he is not the reason i left at all, and this does not address anything to do with me or our family.. my mother-in-law sent me texts which i ignored and now she has sent a picture to my wife on facebook just for me, and it's a prodigal son meme that says, "you see the signs, come back it's not too late".. yeah, it's not too late to accept a global flood in 2370 bce, or that man was created in 4026 bce from a golem spell, or that an us-and-them cult mentality is at all healthy or loving, or that religion is going to be banned by the un, or that i should expect anyone else at the door to accept these stupid ideas in the information age.. what am i supposed to say?

  i usually just ignore them, but before i do that, i see that shit and i storm into this weird internalized rage where i start writing a response and deleting it.

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  I have been liking stuff from OurWorldInData.org such as this: https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions-in-5-charts/

  Yeah the signs are clear: all over the world circumstances of life are improving; JW are full of BS.
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  one thing about all these pedophiles cases i cant understand is..

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as a parent, if it was my kid i would go straight to the police and or beat the living shit out of the perpetrator.

  were all these parents of the victims brain dead or that indoctrinated?.

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  Yeah but you're too proud to wait for Jehovah too. And you would probably talk back at elders wouldn't you?

  Pff the mindset of apostates is what is driving them to disregard authority. Hence their destruction in Armageddon awaits them.
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  Was Ray Franz Playing The Long Game?

  by rory-ks in

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  i'm just making my way through crisis of conscience for the second time and once again i am struck by the presentation of such detailed records.

  letters are shown in full - copies of letters from the branch, and to the branch.

  reports are quoted vebatim.

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  I just assumed it was with Ray as with business tycoons and political leaders: they all keep a personal archive.

  And Ray probably made some copies from the WT archives before he resigned.
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  A little stock-taking on the JW org. 2017

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the governing body of jws claim without any justification that they alone are holders of a sacred key to divine knowledge and that their history indicates appointment by the almighty creator with the job of giving the world of their privileged information, especially on the time of the biblical “last days.” .

  ok they use bible illustrations to explain this with the idea that the “master” has “domestics” who are fed by them but this is always a matter in contention.

  they think the illustration is important but can never get a handle on who is who and when it is.

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  The JW organisation is a nasty delusional, life-sapping, mind-bending, family-splitting doomsday cult

  He that bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes; I am coming quickly.’”

  “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”

  
  

  
  
  
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  Why I believe the quality of my posts has improved.

  by The Rebel in

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  " thinking fast and slow" is a self help book by d kahneman.. according to my simplified understanding of the above self-help book we have 2 brains, which the author calls system 1 brain and system 2 brain.. system 1 brain is the brain that make the decisions, that we do as routine.. system 2 brain is the brain that uses conscious reasoning.

  thinking that requires conscious effort.. now the interesting thing is system1 brain is often making decisions system 2 brain isn't even aware are being made.

  this is because system 2 brain requires conscious reasoning, and thinking that requires effort.

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  I never got around to reading that book, but it's on my radar :-)
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  And then it hit me: we were abused

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from a psychcentral (run by mental health professionals): a familiar item on a list of 7 types of parental abuse :.

  spiritual abuse.

  has the child experienced:dichotomous thinking – dividing people into two parts: those who agree with the parent and those who don’t.

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  @Diogenesister,

  It was that same feeling that made me post this. I never felt abused. I didn't even classify my JW upbringing as abuse until reading that list.

  It made me realize that 'stealing' the mind and free will of your child in an authoritative way in name of your religion is abusive. All these children will never be compensated for their lost years, the anxiety and feelings of guilt they had to unlearn, etc.

  At the same time David_Jay made me realize that I hadn't thought the topic through well enough. There are other forms of abuse that have way more impact and longer lasting effects than the level of religious abuse children of JW experience.

  I never have nightmares, nor can a forum post trigger an avalanche of uninvited feelings about my JW upbringing.

  This thread has almost no impact on my emotions; it's foremost an intellectual exercise, an exchange of ideas.

  David_Jay participated in this thread at great personal cost, teaching me in the meantime. To be honest I wouldn't have started this thread if I had known it would cause him (or anyone else) to leave. David_Jay always has great input here, he brings balance. I really hope he finds his peace.